DISQUS

Zero Hedge: Merrill Gruntled, Believes Markets Combobulated

  • Robert · 5 months ago
    You can lead a horse to water only once if you poison the well.
  • bolweevil · 5 months ago
    "I just threw up in my mouth."
  • IMA5U · 5 months ago
    They are all about the "New Normal"...anything to get that stock price to $20.
  • Max · 5 months ago
    S&P monthly RSI turned down in jun and further in Jul so far. The daily RSI is about to breakdown below 50 support. I see a black swan shadow.

    Love the comment about SPY zero. Ben did save capitalism, for now.
  • Gordon_Gekko · 5 months ago
    He didn't save capitalism, but corporatism. Capitalism died a long time ago.
  • solfods · 5 months ago
    S&P monthly RSI turned down in jun and further in Jul so far. The daily RSI is about to breakdown below 50 support. I see a black swan shadow.

    good point

    hat tip to: http://shor7.com/?ZEUCI short: $GS $AAPl $GOOG $SPX recommended daytrading:: $ES_F $SBUX $BAC $FAS $FAZ $AMZN $POT good luck
  • lloydwolypod · 5 months ago
    Cetin
  • Gordon_Gekko · 5 months ago
    "...but as the risk of a 1930’s depression or a Zimbabwe inflation dims..."

    BWAHAHAHHHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
  • Mr.X · 5 months ago
    A bunch of deluded idiots in wall street. This amounts of self-hypnosis where you keep suggesting yourself in something that is not true and ultimately you believe in it. 'serenity now, insanity later'.
  • aldousd · 5 months ago
    not according to denis kneale! he said that it IS the magic elixir, and we all know that he is smart. after all, he looks like beaker, and beaker is a scientist.
  • dark_pools_of_soros · 5 months ago
    you just described Glen Beck's warmup routine
  • Gordon_Gekko · 5 months ago
    BTW Tyler, why are we looking at analyses by FAILED and BUSTED firms such as ML? Although, I guess it's OK if the purpose is to mock them and have a few laughs at their expense. That's ALL they are good for.
  • Casey · 5 months ago
    Meanwhile, California is paying small businesses with IOUs. Sure, everything's getting back to normal.
  • DGVVV · 5 months ago
    I think everything in CA is going to be OK, though. They've hired Lloyd Christmas as their IOU administrator.
  • MobBarley · 5 months ago
    The facts support massive deflation presently (housing down 40%, no bottom in sight) with concomitant inflation coming to roost at a later date.

    The level of GDP contraction, actual jobless rate (shadowstats.org), M3, commercial real estate bust, Food stamps statistics (34 million and counting) , fudged CPI in relation to SS increases, and so on , we are presently in a 1930's style depression. I suppose this is like one of those Jesuit exercises...Red is Black, Black is White, White is Green. Sure thing muchachos.

    9.5 million on unemployment (including emergency extensions), rail traffic down 25%, car sales off 50% or more... all indicate a full blown depression that ultimately will make the 1930's look comfortable by comparison.

    Eventually the FED's will have to take the cap off the commodities market allowing speculative investment. When that happens a bushel of wheat will go to 10x the price..oil will be at 200+ a barrel..and so on until it's fullblown Zimbabwe hyperinflation at street level.


    It's a fact.
  • ghostfaceinvestah · 5 months ago
    hyperinflation may take place sooner than you think, as our creditors start sending back their dollars by the planeload, trying to exchange them for commodities, PMs, autos, dishwashers, computers, clothes, etc. Anything of tangible value that they can ship back home.

    hyperinflation is not about domestic supply/demand for goods and services, it is about international supply/demand for our fiat currency.
  • Groty · 5 months ago
    Wage deflation is the real story. Average hours worked is 33/week, the lowest on record since record keeping began in 1964. Not only are hourly workers working fewer hours, but their wage rate is also starting to decline (only slightly so far).

    White collar salarieed workers are taking a hit, too. CAT is cutting salaried workers pay by up to 50% for the highest level executives, and 10% for the lowwest ranked. Similar story at CLF, STLD, and I'm sure countless others that I'm not aware of. Business Week highlights a marketing executive at a biotech in Denver who had her pay cut from $55K to $41K, and she's happy because at least she still has a job.

    The global wage arbitrage is crushing American's standard of living. The boys at MER have been smoking far too many green shoots.
  • lizzy36 · 5 months ago
    This dude gets paid (lots i am guessing) to put out this drivel. My 5 year old nephew could do a better job.

    This actually angers me because it is just dumb analysis. If i was an institutional client of MER/BAC i would call the head of research and complain about the stupidity inherent in this drivel.

    Exactly what i would NOT want to do, take the last 6 years (cause they were so normal) and extrapoliate to the next 6 years. What is clear to me is this dude wants to take his pay check from the last 6 years and extrapoliate it to the next 6 years.

    Watching the elf on Fareed Zakaria - looks like he got some botox.
  • calgaryschmooze · 5 months ago
    What? Are you telling me that straight-line y=mx+b extrapolation doesn't work in this environment?!? ;-)

    As an aside, I had some impromptu chats with some interesting people in the past few days, including an energy trader from BlackRock at 1:30am at Cowboys and the CEO of a storage company at the NGX party. The tone of each was that, at least from a qualitative standpoint, we are potentially going to have some very non-linear responses and derivative effects in the gas complex in the next 2 months. How this actually might play out in day-to-day-to-day quantitative terms is still up for debate, but straw-poll consensus was for "swift and painful downward dislocation" in the next while as storage hits capacity. For the CEO, it was clear that many organizations' gas financial Excel models are radically busted. The physical realities are completely different from the paper projection, and has become more pronounced in the last 6 months.

    Of course, the traders, engineers and people with boots on the ground understand the relationships and the implications can have some crazy complexities. That's not what the perma-smile sales and marketing teams were trying to impart as they glad-handed.

    Everyone else's mileage may vary.
  • DebtorShredder · 5 months ago
    -"swift and painful downward dislocation"

    Read up on asymmetric volatility.

    Another reason why HFT will doom us all before they even know what hit 'em.
  • Icarus · 5 months ago
    You touched on the major point: Excel is used to make the majority of business decisions and, as this article confirms, most economical analysis as well.

    Why would we NOT use first order approximations plugged into Excel? Then how WOULD we make our graphs?
  • Gordon_Gekko · 5 months ago
    Whoever is stupid enough to be a "client" of these zombie firms deserves what's coming their way, IMNSHO.
  • Gwion Bach · 5 months ago
    I don't know what you're talking about ... Merrill's been great for me! They've only lost 30% of my money in the last 2 years.

    They also send me these great research reports that tell me about the green shoots growing everywhere. Yay Merrill!
  • Eddie Haskell · 5 months ago
    damn man, how much do they charge you for this great service? ha ha

    man, the more I read zero hedge, the more I want to get out of stocks period.
  • SB (DoubleDown) · 5 months ago
    They had a 1M of my friends money in ARS...then they vapor locked....opps.

    They really know how to manage risk, oh wait.....

    Get your money outta there as soon as possible, learn and manage it yourself don't ever let "smart people" tell you what to do. Totally incompetent.
  • dark_pools_of_soros · 5 months ago
    seriously - if it weren't for the 100% matching i get from my compay i wouldn't bother with 401k - but i do use one method of protection - whenever you see a large run up (like a few weeks ago) then give yourself a loan of half your account. that is the only real way to lock some of your gains.. you pay yourself back and you can invest it any where you want instead of just in the lame options they force you into...

    ok now i just caused a run on 401k accounts.... :)
  • RobotTrader · 5 months ago
    Definitely.

    No more "Eddie Haskell" furrowed brow.

    Glad to hear that the U.S. taxpayer is paying for Geithner's Botox treatment.
  • Eddie Haskell · 5 months ago
    No doubt about it. Timmie has the furrowed brow thing going big time.
    The next thing he will do is put his reading glasses on and look at us over his glasses.
    Shame on the unwashed masses for not trusting this good mensch.
  • spankyou · 5 months ago
    this is the stupidest comment ever. your 5 year old nephew wouldn't know what Zimbabwe inflation is, or how it relates to anything. although, i don't disagree about bankers/forecasters not being worth what they are paid, your post is just uneducated...
  • Expected Returns · 5 months ago
    Well said Tyler. There is nowhere for yields to go but up as the Treasury floods the market with paper. Add in widespread unemployment, poor demographic trends, a dollar on life support, and more Option ARM rests, and it's clear that a 1930's-style depression has not been averted.
  • deadhead · 5 months ago
    Even Larry Summers was quite bearish in the FT article this weekend....it's also posted and linked on HuffPo in the business section....he said he would not be surprised if GDP goes lower....i was a little astounded by the quote.
  • texpat · 5 months ago
    I realize that the GDP/Unemployment law (Okun's Law?) may have broken down, but increasing unemployment will still lead to a diminishing GDP, surely?

    I'm pretty surprised that consumption hasn't fallen further.
  • Icarus · 5 months ago
    No, as consumption decreases -> imports decrease -> GDP goes up.

    It would be different if the US actually produced/manufactured what they consumed, but they don't - it's all imports.

    As long as imports decline faster than exports, the GDP will continue to appear to be "stable".
  • RobotTrader · 5 months ago
    If the SPY continues to roll over and reaches the 500 target oft-quoted by many bears, the 10-yr yield will be 2% or less, oil will be at $25, and most food commodities will be a world record lows (inflation adjusted).
  • Eddie Haskell · 5 months ago
    As the reality of the FED’s firm hand sinks in, disgruntled traders operating in discombobulated markets will relax. We may have violent moves in both level and shape, but as the risk of a 1930’s depression or a Zimbabwe inflation dims, risk vectors will slide back into their longer-term ranges.<<<<<<

    somehow this statement simply is not that conforting to me.
    could they please be more reassuring?
  • RobotTrader · 5 months ago
    You would never know the market was in a correction or a bear phase by looking at these stocks:

    Investor's Business Daily Top 100 as of July 14:

    http://clearstation.etrade.com/cgi-bin/bbs?post...
  • buygold · 5 months ago
    It is interesting to note that as soon as Goldman starts breaking down and the shorts winning Merrill comes in with a buy recommendation. There is a lot of intervention to support this stock. Just wait a few more days and it will continue down.

    Goldman About to Crash
  • rapier · 5 months ago
    Shouldn't that be discomboobulated as in boob which used to mean fool before it meant what your thinking.

    I recall the JPM et. al. were going to crash and burn when gold passed $300 or was it $350, whatever. I think the only thing that crashes GS is film of FBI guys leaving HQ with boxes, or that big meteor with earths name on it. I'm watching the sky. Better odds.
  • newbie · 5 months ago
    Unfortunately, Harley is the head of research you would reach if you call.
  • imapopulistnow · 5 months ago
    "Looking for green shoots in all the wrong places..."

    We live in a global economy and the green shoots for this recovery will be coming from China, India, Brazil, etc....

    I agree that yields will rise above what ML is forecasting, because the emerging markets will create sufficient demand to crowed out capital for US Treasuries. That is what happens when the kids in DC go on a spending spree and forget about Econ 101 principles.
  • Cockroaches! · 5 months ago
    Markets combobulated? Really?

    http://tinyurl.com/lqe73a
  • solfods · 5 months ago
    S&P monthly RSI turned down in jun and further in Jul so far. The daily RSI is about to breakdown below 50 support. I see a black swan shadow.

    good point

    hat tip to: http://shor7.com/?ZEUCI short: $GS $AAPl $GOOG $SPX recommended daytrading:: $ES_F $SBUX $BAC $FAS $FAZ $AMZN $POT good luck
  • lloydwolypod · 5 months ago
    Cetin get off of here!!!
  • Tripps · 5 months ago
    You folks want the reality??? here it is

    The market is up a measly 30% or so off the "WORLD is ending" lows vs the horrendous falls it had starting in Summer 2007. Get off the sideline and decide what you're gonna do...earn 1% in a savings account or buy some world class companies who DO sell internationally like KFT, PG, etc.

    Growth in the US will be slow and hard to come by....since most DOW and SP500 Stocks have international components to them I don't see all the fuss. While stocks aint DIRT cheap they are not truly overvalued either on a whole in a stabilization to slow growth environment. I'm sorry but when I see KFT and PG for example trade where they are even after the rallies I know this rally aint over.

    You got a BAC trading at 4-5 times normalized earnings...eventually the losses diminish as the earnings overtake them. As long as you understand the war off attrition you can make money in financials.

    The bottom line is you can stay so negative as to lose yourself money and that's exactly what's happened on this blog by the sounds of the posters here for months. You got your 7-10% pullback from the June highs...now's the time to buy again...not bash

    just understand the big picture. eventually the anti business attitude will be crucified as a new political elite rises again..and the market will soar on real buying demand again.

    90% of the people in this country still have their jobs, 90% still pay their mortgage or home eq on time. very easy to lose that reality if you sit on blogs like this or Dennigers daily
  • ghostfaceinvestah · 5 months ago
    This is a great site.

    http://newsfrom1930.blogspot.com/

    From Sat July 12, 1930:

    "Recent rally continued in morning hours; new highs on current rally by US Steel, American Can, Consolidated Gas, AT&T, other majors. Rally petered out later in session on profit-taking. Market also came under pressure from commodity news: wheat plunged to new post-1914 low below 86 cents/bushel, cotton off sharply. Volume turned lower on the decline, many stocks trading in a narrow range. Construction stocks under particular pressure. Banks and trusts lower.

    Conservative observers still cautious, although many now believe market has established resistance level likely to hold.

    In spite of current overcapacity in steel (production at 60% of capacity), the industry leaders including US Steel, Bethlehem, etc. are still investing in expansion. “It would be a poor country if the big industrial leaders threw up their hands and quit on every little depression”

    Auto industry pessimists should realize that with 27M cars on the road, “replacements alone guarantee a fair rate of activity for the industry.”

    Tobey & Kirk surveys large number of bankers and corporate officials throughout the country. Reports current business conditions below normal almost everywhere, but increasing confidence in the immediate future; widespread expectation of early fall upturn."
  • Gordon_Gekko · 5 months ago
    Thanks for providing this link, ghostface. It's a great site.
  • dark_pools_of_soros · 5 months ago
    but you forget that the BRICs are thinking of taking their training wheels off... so you are right if you meant some OTHER market soars
  • lizzy36 · 5 months ago
    From an M.D at a major financial firm on London (sent on friday).

    http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/07/10/6140...
  • MobBarley · 5 months ago
    Very easy to realize that that 'reality' is horseshit.

    Does the gubment pay you to go around 'debunking' ala 911?

    Where is this real buying demand going to come from? Mars?
  • Wynn · 5 months ago
    This is America - 2009
    http://www.nowpublic.com/tech-biz/after-losing-...

    The Great Depression II has begun
  • Trader_Steve · 5 months ago
    Of all the people wo own homees, if you subtract those who have the no mortgages the fllowing are the facts:

    If the housing mkt declines another 15%, and it will, then the net worth of homes with mortgages on them will be a BIG FAT ZERO to the homeowner.

    We have everything here ready for a suddden collapse like the 55% one in 4 months in 1932 and we have a buhc of thieves at the helm like ken lay. They are all telling you its fine and going to be okay as thery pump out their own stock. I'm sure GS will be short when the collapse comes, which could be tomorrow. Chinaa could be by the midddle of next week!

    Steve
  • dd · 5 months ago
    Harley's a good guy who has made some spectacular calls over the last few years. You should do your homework better. Rosenberg was wrong for 6yrs before he was finally right and he's your hero.
  • vol-trader · 5 months ago
    very true, see my post below
  • IMA5U · 5 months ago
    Wow Entourage sooks now.

    Don't watch it.
  • buygold · 5 months ago
    Looking for comments and opinions.

    Correction or Blood on the Streets?
  • Tripps · 5 months ago
    told you folks..if you're short financials this morning you didn't heed my advice and now you're screwed by Meredith. not a bad thing i guess - LOL
  • GBT · 5 months ago
    This is the second time she's pulled this stunt. Complete reversal of her previous position before the market open. Could result in credibility issues and cause people to fade her next rec. People have long memories when it comes to shit like this.
  • vol-trader · 5 months ago
    Rate Lab is usually a pretty good read. They called the low in vol back in the summer of 06, and they usually have some good MBS analysis. The conventional wisdom being passed around the street is that you sell rips in vol in a QE environment. Look at the decline in vol in Japan over the past 15 years for instance. I am curious, therefore, to hear more about the long vol trades BAC is putting on that you allude to.
  • sdbri · 5 months ago
    You do realize that in order for the S&P to be priced at zero, all 500 companies would have to be worthless? Not just "zero earnings" but actually massively negative earnings that precludes even liquidation. All 500, not a single exception. If you knew the first thing about securities, you'd know that this assertion is only slightly less absurd as saying the S&P will be negative or that the GDP will be zero.

    Even Zimbabwe doesn't have a GDP of zero, and as long as there is a single person alive there, it never will. The same is true of if a single S&P company has a positive net worth.

    I don't have an opinion on anything else you've posted, I just wanted to clarify a ridiculous assertion.
  • Tyler Durden · 5 months ago
    10: Do you know the difference between debt and equity? If answer Yes, then
    go to 20:, if No, feel free to figure out the difference at your own pace.
    20: Is the global corporate debt level currently satisfied by corporate cash
    flows (not talking liquidation - merely impairment)? If No go to 30; if Yes
    - Ben Bernanke would love to have you join the spin team.
    30: Equities as a class are worthless.
  • not a maven · 5 months ago
    Ratelab is a farce...they make a ton of reccommendations and then cherry pick afterwards to showcase only the ones that worked...their batting avg is well below 50